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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 25 2006, 08:31 PM (425 Views) | |
| Jane | Sep 25 2006, 08:31 PM Post #1 |
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Do you believe in a life for a life? I'm going against the grain of America here I feel, which is a good thing. Challenge me by all means!! I don't believe killing someone is ever right, no matter what they've done. You can't undo a crime and make it better, what's done is done but how we react to murderers and child abusers is what makes us better than them. We hit out and kill them we are no longer better we are the same. Sanctioned murder. Also how can we be sure they are guilty? People are found innocent of crimes on appeal, people who have been killed in the past have been pardoned, erm wooops sorry we made a mistake but you're dead now. Memory is an area I've studied in psychology and many people are found guilty because of witness testimony. I saw them, they did it. Yet memory is very unreliable as a source of evidence, tests have shown memory can be altered by suggestion after an event. You may hit back and say how would you feel if it was your child that was murdered, but I believe my answer would be the same. I've seen examples where the victims families haven't wanted the death penalty. Cost....yes it costs to keep people in prison, but I believe knowing you're never getting out of there, never having a normal life, never walking along a beach again or seeing another sunset is as much of a punishment as death. I think I've covered the major points so over to you!! |
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| Noname | Sep 26 2006, 05:38 PM Post #2 |
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I agree with you, Jane. You can't kill someone because of what they have done. I mean obviously Sadaam is going to get the death pentalty, but I don't think he should die. Even though he killed the Kurds and have done all the bad things, I can not find it in myself to kill another human being. I believe that what ever God has in store for them is worster than we can ever dish out. |
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| Denovissimus | Sep 26 2006, 08:32 PM Post #3 |
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Eye for an eye! I think the death penalty will deter murderers. If there is not any shadow of a doubt that a person committed premeditated murder, then they should be executed. No circumstantial evidence. Either video tape, or DNA tested from more than one independant source, or a taped confession where the guilty is not under any type of coercion. Now I am not talking about mandatory death penalty, death or life in prison is up to the jury and judge with recommendations from the family affected. However, mulitiple murderers, who have willfully murdered more than once, I think that should be mandatory and to hell with the insanity argument. For whatever reason a mulitple/serial killer is mentally defective, be it nature or nuture. You have a defective product you sent it back to the manufacturer. In this case, you send that defective soul back to "god". Why should it be our problem to house and feed these monsters? Why allow them to live when they took the lives of others? They don't have a vote, cause they are dead! The threat of a death penalty I still maintain will deter murder, not all, but even one would be worth it. The argument can be made what gives us the right? As free will beings we have the right because it is in our power and responsibility to do. No harm comes to anyone but to the one who caused harm. And too bad for the family of the killer. By pleading for the life of a killer you sanction those actions with your pathetic sympathy and selfish mercy! And if "god" has sent a killer amongst his flock it is the right of the flock to send that killer back to "god". Again, we are free will beings, not slaves. Murderers in prison get free housing, two to three meals a day, get access to a gym, a libray, and whatever else. That is more than hundreds of innocent people who are poor in this country. What right is it that our taxes feeds and houses killers while children starve out in the streets? Be rid of the real human waste and be done with it, there are others who are in need of our immediate attention. |
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| Jane | Sep 26 2006, 08:55 PM Post #4 |
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If your serial killers are mentally defective isn't it also true that the death penalty won't act as a deterent because they have no regard for life including their own? These people live in the moment, they don't think through as far as consequences. Now I love that you're mentioned people being defective. This is such a controversial area. To quote from wicked "Are people born wicked?" Many people who face the death penalty have had pretty shitty lives from an early age. How does a child who has never been shown love turn out? This is no excuse, and I accept that not everyone who's had a terrible childhood, who's been abused themself grow up to do these things but many times this is the case and that can't be coincidence. Maybe the mental deficiency is a lack of understanding the point of view of others, a lack of empathy for suffering, something that naturally develops in children but should also be instilled and reinforced through childhood. I agree there is a point where you can't help people, you can't reabilitate everyone, hence life in prison. My pathetic sympathy would be for the whole sorry mess, victims and perpetrator's. A caring heart is healthier than a vengeful one. |
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| la anaconda de chocolatee | Sep 26 2006, 11:56 PM Post #5 |
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I would love to give my lengthy opinion but my hand is killing me so I cant right now. But I will try tomm if it is feeling better then. |
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| Denovissimus | Sep 27 2006, 04:37 PM Post #6 |
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So sorry little Johnny was not loved as a child, was abused by his parents and picked on by his peers. So sorry little Johnny, that fate dealt you a bad life. But that does not grant you the right to murder an innocent, just because your own innocence was tainted. Perhaps in the next life you will be given better options, but as for this life, you are done. Pull the lever! |
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| Noname | Sep 27 2006, 05:22 PM Post #7 |
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What if little jonny was innoccent and somone framed him? then we've had killed the wrong person. |
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| Denovissimus | Sep 27 2006, 05:34 PM Post #8 |
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DNA evidence tested by more than one independant source, or video of the crime again tested by more than one independant source, or a confession where it was proved that it was not coerced. These are the ways I advocate one to be sentenced the dealth penalty. Eye witness is not good enough, but that would be good enough for a prison sentence. |
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| Noname | Sep 27 2006, 08:30 PM Post #9 |
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Glorious Witch
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In the end we shouldn't kill people. I mean, the Ten Commandments states clearly "Thou Shall Not Kill." If we go around doing the death penalty how is that help,ing our cause? Yes, that person is dead and can do no more evil but there are people out there to take his place. |
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| Denovissimus | Sep 27 2006, 08:34 PM Post #10 |
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Which commandment was that again? I see "thou shalt not kill" was not important enough to put it ahead of "thou shalt not have any god but me" and "remember the sabbath and keep it holy". Oh yeah, and that "thou shalt not kill" commandant is only subjective, for it is okay to kill as long as its the enemies of "god". That bloodthirsty alien fiend Jehovah ordered the hebrews into towns who did not worship him and had everyone man woman and child killed. Some god that is, and what a great commandant. But Jehovah was not the true god, and he can shove his ten commandments up his alien ass. |
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| Noname | Sep 27 2006, 08:38 PM Post #11 |
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I don't know that much about religon and all that, but if someone asked you to kill someone because he killed millions of people could you? |
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| Jane | Sep 27 2006, 08:47 PM Post #12 |
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Good question darrelle! Jesse is right the bible is the bloodiest book in history. All that stoning people to death, sacrifce, kill, kill, murder, die. Kill the heathens to please your god. Intolerance and hatred again. Which is why I strike out against death even to those who probably deserve it. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth and it doesn't solve the underlying reasons of why people turn into monsters. |
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| Noname | Sep 27 2006, 09:02 PM Post #13 |
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all in the name of god yeah right. you know i was thinking of writing a book, i keep saying that and i will...one day, how i am going to show that jesus wrote the original bible and men in power came and changed it. afyer he was dead of course. |
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| la anaconda de chocolatee | Sep 27 2006, 11:06 PM Post #14 |
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| Julesy | Sep 27 2006, 11:22 PM Post #15 |
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then why do they try to cover up their crimes? if you are truly defective, you dont have the mental capacity to think it through and hide bodies and such. I SAY DIE! Especially serial killers. There is NO excuse for multiple murders. Especially to innocent victims. Maybe crimes of passion, but not all out stalking,kidnapping, murdering and burying bodies. [size=7]OFF TO THE GALLOWS, MURDEROUS BITCHES![/size]
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| Noname | Sep 28 2006, 05:18 PM Post #16 |
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Glorious Witch
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so we solve killing with more killing? How does that make sense? |
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| Denovissimus | Sep 28 2006, 05:23 PM Post #17 |
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By removing something amoral and evil from this world, that's how. |
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| Noname | Sep 28 2006, 05:29 PM Post #18 |
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Glorious Witch
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i can't kill someone. i would have to tell soemone else to do it, pray for that person that's about to be killed, and walk away. |
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| Jane | Sep 28 2006, 05:40 PM Post #19 |
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I was right the American's do disagree with me (except Darrelle)! I don't understand how the most civilised country in the world can condone this barabarism? It's a never ending cycle, there's always going to be evil, killin them won't change that. Isn't that what the balance in life is? |
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| Denovissimus | Sep 28 2006, 06:01 PM Post #20 |
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Passivity will not solve the ills of the world. The alleged passivity of Jesus got him nailed to a cross. Sometimes you have to aggressively take charge of a situation for the better of others not inclined to do it themselves. The loss of freedom by confinment to prison does not equal the loss of a life. All life is precious, yes, but some lives become forfeit when others lives are violated and taken away. Prison systems are overcrowded, this planet is overcrowded in general. Remove the bad apples and let the rest of the bunch florish. A murderer may or may not reform and repent but that does not bring a life back. This is not about vengeance, it is about the enforcement of order. If I can get away with killing someone and get to spend the rest of my life in prison where I am fed, where I get to read what I want, excercise, without having to worry about bills and such, why not kill someone then? There is much life has to offer, that prison cannot, but some people are blind to that. You tell me someone murders your loved one, your young innocent children, and you'd be okay with them LIVING off your tax dollars? I say to be against capital punishment is to somehow condone the acts of murder because life in prison is not good enough. Eye for eye! Die human waste!
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